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benperor-ren: spottytonguedog: reggiephelps: spottytonguedog: reggiephelps: spottytonguedog: angel-starbeam: spottytonguedog: That last shot of him destroys me every time. He should have everything he wanted. But he doesn’t. He’s has nothing and he is alone. Definitely his lowest point. Also, Rey could care less about him. She literally and figuratively closed the door on him.  I know this is said in the above quote, but I feel this should be spelled out.  I don’t agree at all that Rey doesn’t care about him. She’s disappointed and angry. But couldn’t care less? I don’t think so. Unfortunately, Kylo Ren made his own bed. Maybe his loneliness is his punishment for his wrong choices. He had so many choices to stop. Rey pleaded with him to come back to the light, and he chose the dark side again. I don’t think Rey doesn’t give a shit about him. I think she’ll continue to try and turn Kylo Ren, at least for Han’s memory, but as I’ve always said, my biggest problem with Luke is the truth that Jedi do not give up, he did. Rey is a jedi, and I don’t believe she will give up. We’ll see where her tenacity leads. Rey is not a Jedi. Just as Kylo Ren is not a Sith. That’s kind of a lot of the point of it all, IMO. She had three (sort of) lessons from Luke on how to feel the Force. But…that’s it. She’s a strong Force user but to call her a Jedi? She’s not. But I DON’T think she’ll give up. That’s even in the novelization of the movie. Rey says there are two things she’s good at: fixing broken things and waiting. She was referring to Luke there (and obviously her scavenging past) but it’s a huge foreshadowing I think. And ultimately, I think he no more “chose” the dark side than Rumplestiltskin chose being the Dark One in the beginning. He was abused and groomed from the time he was born by a creepy piece of shit that was in his head. Yes, it’s still HIS choice ultimately, just as it was Rumple’s. But he had pretty much everything against him. Choosing the light when you’ve been steeped in that darkness and abused since you were born and basically know NOTHING else? That’s hard. Almost impossible. And Rumple fell back. Over and over again. Belle even pretty much gave up on him, “closing the door” by actually actively forcing him across the town line. They came back from it. And she STILL cared, still loved him, even though he had done horrible things. I think Rey still cares and I think she’s not going to give up either. But she has her own wounds to lick and her own heartbreak to deal with now after what happened between them. And a Force bond that she’s going to have to deal with and decisions to make on whether or not she reveals it to anyone (which, how DO you tell the rest of the Resistance that you’re Force bonded to the Supreme Leader of the First Order and oh yeah, sometimes you appear to each other and can actually touch and thanks to one of those you shipped yourself right off to him…that’s a bit tricky and could get ugly fast). I think it’s a pretty clear implication that Rey is on the Jedi side. She may be just a trainee, but even padawans were considered to be jedi, just lacking a knighthood title. In fact, luke said he wouldn’t be the last jedi, he was talking about Rey. Kylo Ren may not be a sith according to JJ, but he is part of an order that takes Sith ideology and molds it into their own rules and teachings. They are sith, but a new type of sith. And now he’s the leader of it. I don’t know how it can get worse for him. I accepted kylo ren as a new type of sith lord just like I accepted Rumple as the dark one. There’s no beating around it, it just is. That’s not to say kylo ren can’t redeemed, but I can’t ignore that’s he’s on the evil side whether it’s sith or something else. Oh I’m not saying he’s not on the dark side. Obviously he is. But just as I love Rumple for all his mistakes and darkness, I love Kylo Ren for the same reason. He’s a flawed character who has made some really shitty choices. But I just don’t think they’re following the exact same teachings as the Sith/Jedi. I mean, Rey has some boring books but she isn’t going to be studying with a Jedi like others did, which gives her a chance to form a NEW type of Jedi order, hopefully one without all the issues that helped contribute to their downfall (e.g. the lack of attachments). But just like Rumple, Kylo Ren is a trouble character who has a really horrible and tragic backstory. And like Rumple, I think he can come out of it. Never fully on the light side, just as I don’t think Rumple will ever fully be on the light side (heck, even in that rewrite he wasn’t!), but somewhere in the middle. Ugghhhhh….1) Kylo is NOT a sith. Nope. This is confirmed by the WRITERS themselves. A lot of Sith information was DESTROYED, there are only little bits here and there in holocrons. When Vader killed Palpatine that was IT. No more Sith. Zilch. Nada. There are other Dark Sider users who have never been Sith. It is a specific order of Dark Side users, an order that is now dead. Dark Side users like the Inquisitors and the Knights of Ren are their own thing. 2) I cannot stress enough on how if you’re going to participate in Star Wars discourse to please brush up on the new EU or at least check out Wookiepedia. There are little nuggets hinting that not everything is black and white. The Jedi are not inherently good, just as the Sith/Dark Side users are not inherently evil. Darth Vader tracks down an exiled Jedi master in the lastest Darth Vader comic issue. And the Jedi straight up decides to “sacrifice billions to save the future trillions”. And Vader..VADER, of all people, calls him out on it. Even in Legends Darth Revan is not some “ermahgerd ultimate evil demon”. This was also somewhat planted in the prequels that the Jedi were not flawless, all around good rays of light. They were arrogant, tore kids from their parents at an extremely young age to avoid attachments and brainwash them, and yes they ran with their tail between their legs and expected Vader’s son to do their dirty work for them (which is funny because that doesn’t seem to be the “jedi” way).Miss me with that “Jedi never give up” crap.3) Stop with the “closing the door” means it’s over. Just. stop. This is NORMAL for a romantic arc involving enemies to lovers. Something interpersonal ends up keeping them apart and they have to fix it in the third and final act ( episode IX) before becoming “lovers”. This is basic narrative structure for couples with Reylo’s dynamic. Doors can be open again. It’s all symbolic. 4) And once again I’m sorry but it’s a little silly to bash a character for “choosing the dark” while stanning a character who does the exact same thing. Over and over, I might add. You don’t have to like Kylo, but acknowledge that you’re stanning a character very similar to him as far as tropes go. I have fun writing about morally ambiguous jedi who dont always follow the set standard path of “Jedi”. Its like Luke said, “the Jedi RELIGION” not the ‘jedi’ path. Im using capital letters for a reason here. A JEDI is one of a religious sect, they are a religion. The jedi path is one of a user of thr force closer to… Reven-ish or if you prefer… I forget her name Snow Whites daughter. (I watched like ten episodes sue me) but shes not just a goody goody princess who always seeks the brightest path. (From what ive been told and seen a bit in trailers and generic listening, sue me.) But anyways the point is that the reason the Jedi failed was because they couldnt bend, they broke because they refused to move on with the times and Yoda actually says this directly keep in mind. That something new must take the place the Jedi did, not the jedi, not the sith, but maybe a bit of both. The path of grey, of balance. Im gonna stop here before i go full nerd boner. -- source link

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