folseh-workshop: kanjitm:roachpatrol:hashtagdion:the1janitor:I really hate this condescension of peo
folseh-workshop: kanjitm:roachpatrol:hashtagdion:the1janitor:I really hate this condescension of people who support 3rd parties like they don’t understand how elections work.I believe that the best way, and the only guaranteed way, to prevent a Trump presidency is to vote for Hillary Clinton, but this particular example doesn’t make any sense. It’s like saying, “Imagine there are 12 people in your state, 5 vote for Trump, 4 vote for Clinton, but 3 have broken legs due to skateboarding accidents and can’t make it to the polls. Trump wins. No one should skateboard.”I mean, you can create a hypothetical scenario where anything leads to a Trump presidency. Come up with a better argument.you can’t reduce the argument of who to vote for to absurdity like that. one of two candidates is going to win. a vote for a third party is a vote that doesn’t contribute to either of those candidates winning. people who support third parties to the extent of voting for them in a close race where a dangerously unqualified conservative candidate could beat an experienced moderate ACTUALLY DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW AMERICAN ELECTIONS WORK, because we have a recent example of this kind of pig-headed foot-shooting liberal grandstanding, when enough progressive voters made symbolic votes for nader instead of gore that george bush won and kicked off eight years of misrule. had those liberals who voted for nader died in skateboard accidents, sure, george bush would have also won. but they weren’t skateboarding instead of voting. they went and spent their vote on a useless protest of the two party system, rather than ensuring the candidate that would actually best protect their interests won. it’s not like saying ‘well anyone who didn’t vote for any reason at all is also at fault’. the question is ‘do you want A or B?’ and you can’t have C. you will not get C. we are not even in negotiations to get C. you are going to get A, which is a stale cookie, or B, which is a bag of angry wasps, and if enough people dick around asking for C we are all going to get B. and hell yeah, i’m being condescending to third-party voters. they’re being deliberately stupid. THIS EXACT, WELL-DOCUMENTED SHIT WENT DOWN 15 YEARS AGO. how can you possibly think we’d get a better outcome doing it again? Except that’s how elections work? You vote for who best represents your interests. There;s no mention of “(who actually has a chance to win)” in that deal. Voting is your right. YOUR RIGHT. It’s your choice not anyone else, yours. And no matter what people say, if your vote matter to YOU then that’s all that matters. So you go on and vote for whatever you think is best, and don’t let anybody guilt trip you about it. To be honest if I was American, I’d vote 3rd party, and I would certainly feel less guilty if Trump ended up winning “as a result” than if Hilary did. Because I believe Trump actually being president would be a much bigger slap in the face for people to realize how fucked up the political system is and hopefully do something about it, than if Hilary won, where it would just be Rinse & Repeat for another 4-8 years. Because I believe that we’d work a LOT harder trying to fix how Trump ever got to sit in the Oval Office than if Hilary did. You vote for who you think will change thing for the better, and I’d vote for 3rd party not because I actually believe any of those I vote for would actually get elected, but because to me, right now, voting third party means “I want something else, I want things to be different.”. And if Trump ended up wining? Then at least I could see how many people thought the same, and maybe they could see it too, and then work together to make it true. Those are my personal beliefs, and there are a lot of different ones but I don’t see why voting for mine would matter less than voting for anyone else. In a lose-lose situation, I’d rather let people know that I’m here if they’re ready to turn that loss into a win. We did get that slap…it was the we had Bush boy. Usually our third party isnt actually an independent but often time is a second person from one of the two parties. This in turn weakens one of the parties and in turn strengthens the other…Also the fact we dont actually vote for the person, we tell our representatives whom we prefer but they still ultimately can decide else wise or actually fuck up on voting and ended up giving the vote to actually no one who is actually running.And as my grandma say: “Everyone worried about the president, not actually realizing its the congress that does everything so worry about who is going into congress as we can have a bad president but also a good congress that would combat them.. -- source link