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komentajaleksa:vuvaliniterf:kristen-the-rageful:claudiaboleyn:eggz1st:meleg-vagyok:cruxofargon:the-critical-feminist:cishetwhiteoppressor:Finally, a sane celebrity who doesn’t bend the knee to feminist bullshit.SourceMy god I love her.I know people are gonna get salty af about this but by God she’s RIGHT.When Brad Pitt did Fight Club, he was cutting weight for every single scene to maintain his physique at 155. I’ve you’ve ever cut weight, you know how horrible that must have been. He did it because they needed a “look”. Changing Tatum said his Magic Mike body doesn’t last for more than five days. He starved down and dehydrated his already fit physique for a “look”.The male soldiers on Spartacus: Blood and Sand were eating pretty much chicken and veggies for every meal to maintain a “look”. Why is this such a big deal? Because all these characters are considered physical goals for men. These are actual unobtainable physical standards for men. Male body image issues get swept under the rug so often that some people don’t even think they exist.As a guy with an ED, it’s really nice to hear people talking about men’s body image issues, but I kinda feel like saying men are just as objectified as women misses the point somewhat. Objectification has to do with much more than just unrealistic standards of beauty, and while both men and women in the acting business endure horrifying things to maintain the desired “look,” women are forced to do so while also experiencing a number of other injustices. Like, for example, I’m sure both Chris Evans and Scarlet Johansen were submitted to really concerning shit for Avengers, but only Scarlet received highly invasive questions about her body, and only Scarlet’s character was used as an interchangeable romance prop, and only Scarlet did so just to have her character written off by male fans as nothing more than eye candy. I’m really not trying to say that men don’t experience huge body issues, hell i’ve lived them for the past 3 years, but we need to address that there is already a thoroughly ingrained system of prejudice in place working against women, and that means that they experience objectification often invisible at first glance. Support men and help us, but remember pain is not a competition, as others are in need of urgent care.(Also, p.s., to those using this to bitch about feminism, feminists are the people pushing the hardest for men with body issues, so don’t fucking use me as a prop because you don’t like women organizing. Fuck you.)louder for the people in the backI agree with the last two posters here. The look men are meant to attain is created by men. It is a power fantasy. The look women are expected to achieve has nothing to do with power or agency. It is to do with being sexy and appealing for the straight male gaze. Obviously men suffer under these ideals too, because it’s never good to make people feel under pressure to look a certain way, but as the above poster said, feeling pressure to do with body image is not the same as objectification. Men are very very rarely objectified because even when the actors bulk up for parts they are not objects in the scenario. The look is part of their character (which serves to make them more powerful and also will often make the entirety of the female characters fall at their feet). It is not their defining trait. Whereas look at women in film and television. Even women playing superheroes can’t be too muscular in case (heaven forfend) they turn off too many male audience members. Women that are powerful and heroic have to be sexy as well. Unless a woman is a villain, (and even then look at how female villains are often sexualised because so many male writers are incapable of writing a woman with the same depth of a man, therefore they think her only possible power is sex appeal), female characters will usually be expected to be passably attractive to male viewers no matter what their role. (There are definitely exceptions to this, but it’s a big enough problem to be a trend and get noticed). I should also point out that the ideal for women in film and television seems to serve to make them seem more vulnerable and powerless, which is in direct opposition to the ideal men are supposed to attain.Remember that seeing someone as sexually attractive does not always mean objectifying them. Yes, a lot of female viewers (and viewers of other genders too for that matter) drool over Chris Evans as Captain America. Many women find Evans as Cap very sexually attractive. But he is not an object in this scenario. He is a powerful, charismatic, heroic, three-dimensional character who also happens to be very hot. (I can’t deny it. He is a handsome man.) Captain America (unlike many female protagonists) is not expected to be hot at every moment he is on screen. He is allowed to experience other emotions and his appearance is not the priority. It is just an occasional bonus for those that appreciate such things. It’s like when Daniel Craig’s Bond steps out of the sea in that iconic shot. Yes, that scene definitely is pleasing to a lot of female viewers, but a) there are also plenty of scenes where Craig’s Bond is shown in a non-sexualised, completely human manner, and b) watching that scene Bond still holds the power. You couldn’t watch that scene and say Bond is lacking in power or agency, could you? It is very clear he is in control. Check out this quote I found on the subject from everydayfeminism: “Objectified men seem to be saying, “Come hither; look what I can give you,” while objectified women seem to be saying, “This is yours for the taking.”Back to the objectification of women in media, even women in pain, being tortured, are sexualised. To the extent that the noises they make while in agony must sound appropriately sexual and their dead bodies must be displayed in a disturbingly ‘tantalising’ and sexual way, sometimes even in lingerie for no apparent reason. Even dead, a woman on the screen must be hot. She becomes the ultimate object. In death her being arousal achieving decoration matters more than her personhood. This is the state of affairs on tv and in film right now. A woman cannot escape objectification even when suffering immense trauma. No matter what is happening in her story (and often on tv at the moment that’s not a awful lot) she is expected to be sexy. Another point I wanted to bring up, is that in this society men do not need to be attractive to be respected or hold power. There is pressure for men to look a certain way, absolutely, but they are still seen as full human beings no matter how they look. (This is also why so many male actors will be working past middle age and the roles for women will become very scarce indeed).This is long, so I will end my ramble now, but to conclude, in my opinion, yes, women are capable of objectifying men on an individual level. This is bad. But it is not a societal norm which impacts the day to day lives of men or their positions in society.To summarise: women in film = body first, personhood second, men in film = personhood first, sometimes (but not always) attractive body as a juicy bonus which also serves to fulfil a male power fantasy. It’s not even nearly the same. Really? Where are the Hot Male Rapes™ for me to jerk off to than? Rapists making rapetainment for the rapists at homeMeanwhile, Natalie Dormer is starring on a show that routinely shows full-frontal female nudity but almost never shows male nudity.  The only two men who have gotten completely “naked” for Game of Thrones were wearing prosthetic penises, because men are considered human and therefore don’t have to bare all the way women do.Also, the GOT writers killed off Ros because Esme Bianco refused to do any more nude scenes.Men are objectified, my ass.I know right…GOT is probably the starkest example on television of the difference in how men and women are treated. This is a show where men are raping or assaulting women in almost every episode, and naked female prostitutes are routinely used as props or background scenery. There are scenes where action or dialogue is going on in the foreground, and in the background, there are men beating up naked women and raping them. The men are simply not treated like this. Even when male characters are suffering they are still the protags of their stories, the focus is on them and not on how their pain affects the characters around them. Their suffering is never designed to titillate the female audience. There’s no way you can honestly miss the disparity.ND’s comment proves nothing other than the fact that she’s either blatantly dishonest or she falls asleep watching her own shows.Anyways, I want to emphasise this: “The look men are meant to attain is created by men. It is a power fantasy.” Men struggling to attain the hulkish masculine standards they set for themselves is men’s problem. Men are the ones writing and directing shit like Fight Club, Spartacus, Magic Mike, etc. Men are the ones urging other men to bulk up for that ideal male body. Men can start challenging and changing these standards for themselves at any time. Outside of these types of specific hyper-masculine, macho/military contexts, men can be unattractive, skinny, nerdy, etc. and still be respected because men see each other as people.Beauty standards for women are also created by men. They are much harder for women to challenge because 1) they are so strongly ingrained in our minds that it is hard to unlearn what we’ve been taught, and 2) men have the political, social, and economic power to dictate what we should be and look like, and we often have to comply in order to survive.I think it’s important to add that females aren’t spared dealing with beauty standards and objectification even as children. There are countless stories, studies, and articles about 8-year-old girls worrying about their weight, girls starting to wear makeup at younger and younger ages, girls being aware that adult men are looking at them sexually, and men seeing little girls as sexual prey. There’s no comparable phenomenon of women objectifying little boys.I’m not going to get into porn, but that’s a HUGE factor here too.One could easily argue that, if objectification is a systemic, socially learned, culturally normalised way of relating to others, then women cannot objectify men. -- source link

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